. >> the american people believe, or as i have, and as i always did, that we pay tax dollars to punish, incarcerate and punish. the reality is we warehouse people. >> but none of this changes kerik's view of law enforcement. police officers he says need tools like new york's controversial stop and frisk policy. >> i think stop and frisk is an excellent tool for the police department to address crime, violent crime. but it can't be abused. it's got to be monitored. it has to be tracked. it has to be transparent. i'm different in the way i see the criminal justice and prison system. but i still believe that the law and order should stand. i believe in all that stuff. >> in the city where he made his mark, salvaging good in the face of evil, bernie kerik says he doesn't like to look back. he hasn't even been to the freedom tower site, rising from the rubble where world trade center once stood. kerik walks through the bustle of his old beat and looks at how much the world has changed. good it looks like disney. it is a different atmosphere, people are having fun. i love it, the thing i lov